the president did have an onization with john boehner. both sides publicly at least are blaming the others for delaying here. i think both sides are said we know what we want to do, which is for the white house raise rates on the rich. but what can they talk about behind the scenes when the republicans are saying we don't want to do that, on the flip side the white house is saying they don't want to do the republican idea of just capping loop holes at least right now. they want to do that next year with a broader tax reform debate. right now there's not a lot to talk about. the president is going on the road again to detroit on monday and continue his public relations campaign on this to galvanize public opinion. behind the scenes not much. >> molly, have you heard reports that the president and john boehner may be meeting face-to-face? if so what do you hear about that? were that to happen would you expect much to come from that? >> i think we'll know these talks are directly engaged when we do have more communication between the actual